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certainly he will be read his miranda rights. this is obviously a very controversial subject involving terrorism investigations, but since this was an fbi arrest, this will -- he will be read his miranda rights. he doesn't have to ask for a lawyer. he could make statements that could later be used against him. that's after all what the miranda warnings are. you can have an attorney or you can make a statement. depending on -- >> jeff, let me jump in here. i want to check in with john king. >> -- he will either speak to -- >> john, you're hearing more? >> i just want to pass along information from our producer, who says two federal law enforcement officials have confirmed to her they have verified the identity. it is the younger brother, suspect number two, in custody. it is now they say federal officials verified the identity and have no doubt. as i said earlier, a federal official i communicated with said in custody, unspecified medical needs and they are now sweeping that scene to make sure there are no additional risks. >> bri
certainly he will be read his miranda rights. this is obviously a very controversial subject involving terrorism investigations, but since this was an fbi arrest, this will -- he will be read his miranda rights. he doesn't have to ask for a lawyer. he could make statements that could later be used against him. that's after all what the miranda warnings are. you can have an attorney or you can make a statement. depending on -- >> jeff, let me jump in here. i want to check in with john...
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you've been hearing a lot about miranda rights. there's issue at play here that need to be clarified. we're going to read a couple of the things said from the hearing. we have the transcript. the judge said, quoting here, you have been charged with one use of a weapon often mass destruction and malicious destruction of property resulting in death. the case is being prosecuted in part by william weinreb. the maximum penalty on each count is death or imprisonment for any terms of years, or life. and there was this finding from the judge, and this one is important. quote, i find that the defendant is alert, mentally competent, and lucid. he is aware of the nature of the proceedings. okay? so that is the basis for the discussion. joined by retired superior court judge isaac borenstein in boston. he's done hospital visits over his 22 years as a judge. let us begin with the idea, confusion and frustration about miranda rights. give them right away, if you don't give them, then this prosecution is astray. what is the basic understanding o
you've been hearing a lot about miranda rights. there's issue at play here that need to be clarified. we're going to read a couple of the things said from the hearing. we have the transcript. the judge said, quoting here, you have been charged with one use of a weapon often mass destruction and malicious destruction of property resulting in death. the case is being prosecuted in part by william weinreb. the maximum penalty on each count is death or imprisonment for any terms of years, or life....
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investigators did not read him his miranda rights when he was captured. they invoked what they call the public safety exception. it permits law enforcement officials to interrogate a suspect and use that information as direct evident in court, and that is causing some controversy out there. let's talk about that. we'll talk about that in a few moments. also want to talk about other issues. joining us, former u.s. attorney doug jones who led the prosecutor against eric ruduffel, the 1996 atlanta olympic bomber. thank you for joining us. first of all, let's talk about this video. this video that has now surfaced that cnn has confirmed, a well known jihadist in dagestan who himself was killed in december, the video was posted on tamerlan tsarnaev's youtube channel. since then, it's been deleted. what does that say, if you're a u.s. attorney investigating this case, what does that say to you? >> well, wolf, i think it would be one of two things. there obviously could be some contact since he traveled over that way. there could have been some contact. there co
investigators did not read him his miranda rights when he was captured. they invoked what they call the public safety exception. it permits law enforcement officials to interrogate a suspect and use that information as direct evident in court, and that is causing some controversy out there. let's talk about that. we'll talk about that in a few moments. also want to talk about other issues. joining us, former u.s. attorney doug jones who led the prosecutor against eric ruduffel, the 1996 atlanta...
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also raises the question this is exactly the whole issue going back to the miranda, if he had the public safety concern of what were those explosive devices intended for? that's one of the reasons they wanted to talk to him or one of the things thaw wanted to talk to him about at the time before they realized how severely hurt he was. it absolutely proves the point there could have more more attacks planned or another person who was a part of it who maybe at the last minute didn't do it. another reason to think there was more planned is maybe that's why they didn't kill themselves at the time of the marathon attack. they wanted to live to attack another day. >> jeff, somebody must have trained them. can you learn to build a bomb by yourself just by going to the internet and going out there, go to a home depot and buying this kind of stuff? >> you could try to learn, but what you would certainly want to do is rehearse. you don't want to go through the operational energy that it would take to mount an attack like at the marathon without having a fair degree of confidence that your device i
also raises the question this is exactly the whole issue going back to the miranda, if he had the public safety concern of what were those explosive devices intended for? that's one of the reasons they wanted to talk to him or one of the things thaw wanted to talk to him about at the time before they realized how severely hurt he was. it absolutely proves the point there could have more more attacks planned or another person who was a part of it who maybe at the last minute didn't do it....
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lot of people think if the cops don't read you your miranda rights, the case gets dismissed. that's not true. the only thing that happens is if you confess, the confession can't be used in the trial against you. if there's other evidence to convict you, you can still be convicted. so a lot of people think oh, gee, i didn't get my rights, case dismissed. so we start with that presumption, but now we're getting into this more interesting issue because the justice department is saying well when there's a public safety emergency we don't have to give miranda warnings. this is going to be very, very controversial, and then senator mccain under the ante by saying this is an enemy combatant and you should treat the case in accordance with the rules of war. what that means is mccain is saying the guy doesn't deserve a jury trial. he's going to be, i don't know whether mccain is suggesting he'd be shipped off to guantanamo, which that would be a radical departure from the way justice is handled in the united states, particularly where a naturalized american citizen is involved and at
lot of people think if the cops don't read you your miranda rights, the case gets dismissed. that's not true. the only thing that happens is if you confess, the confession can't be used in the trial against you. if there's other evidence to convict you, you can still be convicted. so a lot of people think oh, gee, i didn't get my rights, case dismissed. so we start with that presumption, but now we're getting into this more interesting issue because the justice department is saying well when...
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i don't think the miranda argument is particularly important in the end. they'll convict him if he lives. and if they don't give him miranda warnings, maybe they'll get more information about if there are other individual involved in this conspiracy. >> do you think that's part of it? other individuals involved? as someone who's been in the situations before, how big a concern is that, of the decisions tonight? >> sure. it's not about getting additional evidence against him. the public safety exception is to find out whether or not there is explosive devices out there that would cause some harm to the public -- >> which they're worried about. they don't know where all the pipe bomb went. >> sure. it's an absolute right to use the public safety exception in these circumstances. or is there an act of conspiracy beyond him and his brother. that's important for law enforcement to get to the heart of that as quickly as possible. >> that's an important point. we've been talking about, you know, they thought during the day that he could have some of those pipe bo
i don't think the miranda argument is particularly important in the end. they'll convict him if he lives. and if they don't give him miranda warnings, maybe they'll get more information about if there are other individual involved in this conspiracy. >> do you think that's part of it? other individuals involved? as someone who's been in the situations before, how big a concern is that, of the decisions tonight? >> sure. it's not about getting additional evidence against him. the...
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so the miranda issue may be not all that important as a legal matter. and the fact that they get information from him that can be used to make sure there are no other conspiracies out there, that may be very useful information. and they can still prosecute him very successfully without those statements because it sure seems like there is going to be a lot of evidence against this guy, independent of any statements he might have made. >> i want to bring in our national security analyst, peter bergen, joining us. peter has written extensively on al qaeda and osama bin laden. peter, i appreciate you joining us. what are the questions that you are most interested in learning about these two, in particular about motivation and their operational capability? >> well, first of all, anderson, i think it's very interesting that they were able to detonate two bombs almost simultaneously. i think that's pretty hard. it suggests either practice in the united states or training elsewhere or perhaps both. we've had terrorists who have gone overseas who have tried to d
so the miranda issue may be not all that important as a legal matter. and the fact that they get information from him that can be used to make sure there are no other conspiracies out there, that may be very useful information. and they can still prosecute him very successfully without those statements because it sure seems like there is going to be a lot of evidence against this guy, independent of any statements he might have made. >> i want to bring in our national security analyst,...
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, remember miranda only excludes the actual statement itself. but if the statements were obtained involuntarily as a result of the sedation, not only can't they use the statements in court, but they can't use any of the fruits of those poison trees. so if they get any leads, they can't use those against this defendant. now, they can use it against others. they can use it for general intelligence gathering. so i agree with jeffrey that they may be making a calculated decision to risk any statements of confessions or intention in order to preserve the greater good of getting realtime intelligence information. >> and public safety which cannot be discounted at this time, that fruit of the poisonous tree so critical in this investigation. alan and jeffrey, standby if you will. we're going to delve a lot deeper into the details in the hour ahead. and also within the past hour a funeral mass concluded for one of the three people who was killed in last week's explosions. there were a lot of mourners packing into st. joseph's church in the boston suburb
, remember miranda only excludes the actual statement itself. but if the statements were obtained involuntarily as a result of the sedation, not only can't they use the statements in court, but they can't use any of the fruits of those poison trees. so if they get any leads, they can't use those against this defendant. now, they can use it against others. they can use it for general intelligence gathering. so i agree with jeffrey that they may be making a calculated decision to risk any...
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. >> so all of that talk of some sort of public safety exception before you give him his miranda rights, all that talk of naming him as an enemy combatant, all of that is moot right now. they've gone forward with the official proceedings. >> well, they may have used the public safety exception, and apparently they were using it to question him, and he responded in some way given his medical condition. but certainly now that he has a lawyer, that period, however long it was, is over. and you're right, the enemy combatant thing was a nonstarter from the never going to happen. this is a criminal case in federal court in massachusetts, and that's where it will stay until it's resolved one way or another. >> it's going to take a while. thanks very much, jeffrey. much more on what's going on in this boston investigation coming up here in "the situation room" 0. >>> also, another terror plot released today, new information. canadian authorities announcing the arrest of two men believed to be part of a terror plot to attack a passenger train that may have been heading towards the united states,
. >> so all of that talk of some sort of public safety exception before you give him his miranda rights, all that talk of naming him as an enemy combatant, all of that is moot right now. they've gone forward with the official proceedings. >> well, they may have used the public safety exception, and apparently they were using it to question him, and he responded in some way given his medical condition. but certainly now that he has a lawyer, that period, however long it was, is over....
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they've chosen to question him without reading him miranda rights. what does that mean for any information they might be getting? >> well, it's very important to the people -- we've been talking a lot about miranda and i think it's important for people to understand what it does and doesn't mean. if you are questioned without your miranda rights, all that means is that the statements you make cannot be used against you in a criminal court. they can be used against other people. they can be used as leads to other inquiries. and you can still be prosecuted with lots of other evidence. all it means is that those statements cannot be used against you. from what it certainly appears there is lots of other evidence against this fellow. so the fact that the government might be giving up the chance to use some of it is not much of a sacrifice on the part of the government. >> he also at this point could indicate he wants an attorney and doesn't want to answer any questions, correct? >> absolutely. even when someone doesn't get miranda rights, the statements
they've chosen to question him without reading him miranda rights. what does that mean for any information they might be getting? >> well, it's very important to the people -- we've been talking a lot about miranda and i think it's important for people to understand what it does and doesn't mean. if you are questioned without your miranda rights, all that means is that the statements you make cannot be used against you in a criminal court. they can be used against other people. they can...
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just to confirm, this -- dzhokhar tsarnaev has not yet been read his miranda rights, correct? >> i have to say i don't know. because there was an initial appearance today, that's why this complaint is out. the circuit executive, the administrator of this area, has put out a statement saying there was an initial appearance before a magistrate judge. that is as far as i understand it an arraignment. i have never heard of an arraignment without an attorney present. they didn't mention an attorney present. if an attorney is present, the attorney will simply say to the client, you -- don't answer questions. at that point, the attorney is the person the prosecutor is supposed to deal with. i have to say, there is information out there that we don't have. whether an attorney was present, whether this was an actual arraignment, i think we just need to hold off on that until we get more information. >> we're holding off. still so early this all happened. >> before we let deb feyerick go and chase down that lead she was referring to, deb, i was wondering, is there anything else that sta
just to confirm, this -- dzhokhar tsarnaev has not yet been read his miranda rights, correct? >> i have to say i don't know. because there was an initial appearance today, that's why this complaint is out. the circuit executive, the administrator of this area, has put out a statement saying there was an initial appearance before a magistrate judge. that is as far as i understand it an arraignment. i have never heard of an arraignment without an attorney present. they didn't mention an...
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and one of our justice producers is saying there is not an arrest yet, apprehension, an arrest, miranda rights being processed, these can all mean different things to different people in the cloud of this. but i am told by a boston law enforcement source that they believe that they have the suspect. >> with anderson cooper here now, word of an arrest here and the boston marathon attacks. we have heard the u.s. federal marshals have taken the suspect to the courthouse that would be obvious procedure in a federal investigation. we believe it all started with videotape they were analyzing from a store across the street from the second explosion, we believe it was a lord & taylor, a man was identified, putting down something that officials believe proximated the type of bag that was holding what they thought was an explosive device in one of these that we have been showing you all morning. one of these pressure cookers. and they found him. we're not exactly sure. we don't know what the procedure was, what they cross referenced to find this particular individual. juliette and john said may h
and one of our justice producers is saying there is not an arrest yet, apprehension, an arrest, miranda rights being processed, these can all mean different things to different people in the cloud of this. but i am told by a boston law enforcement source that they believe that they have the suspect. >> with anderson cooper here now, word of an arrest here and the boston marathon attacks. we have heard the u.s. federal marshals have taken the suspect to the courthouse that would be obvious...
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why does the miranda issue matter? >> it really matters on whether there will be able to determine if there is other further threats and whether there will be able to prosecute him in federal court. and as soon as they mirandize him and give him the right to a lawyer, they know they can use those statements against him in court. if they don't do that, they will have a very tough time using any evidence they collect from him before that time against him in a federal courtroom. >> put yourself in the shoes of the obama administration. they want to know as much as they can about how this happened so as to not make -- make sure it doesn't happen again. if he lawyers up, if he is read his miranda rights, he probably will be advised not to cooperate and not to say anything. isn't it just to play devil's advocate in the best interests of the nation to withhold on doing that for a second and gets a much information as they can? >> well, it's a very tough decision, but really the exception they're using is the public safety exc
why does the miranda issue matter? >> it really matters on whether there will be able to determine if there is other further threats and whether there will be able to prosecute him in federal court. and as soon as they mirandize him and give him the right to a lawyer, they know they can use those statements against him in court. if they don't do that, they will have a very tough time using any evidence they collect from him before that time against him in a federal courtroom. >> put...
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there are exceptions to the miranda warning? >> there are exceptions to the miranda warnings. since the miranda case in 1966, the supreme court carved out a number of different exceptions where the police don't need to read the miranda warnings to a suspect and can still introduce in the statements that the suspects make into evidence. >>brian: do you believe this information warrants that exception? >> i do not. i think the government is taking a chance by deciding to go ahead and interview the suspect, future defendant without reading his miranda rights. the exception that they are citing is the public safety exception from a 1984 case, where a suspect was arrested after putting a loaded gun somewhere that supermarket. as the police were driving away, they asked him what he did with the gun, and he told them where it was. the police were able to recover a loaded gun. but in that case the danger to the public was immediate. here, i think we're talking about potentially interviewing this guy, the younger brother, when he wakes up in the hospital after the police have been sati
there are exceptions to the miranda warning? >> there are exceptions to the miranda warnings. since the miranda case in 1966, the supreme court carved out a number of different exceptions where the police don't need to read the miranda warnings to a suspect and can still introduce in the statements that the suspects make into evidence. >>brian: do you believe this information warrants that exception? >> i do not. i think the government is taking a chance by deciding to go...
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there's a lot we can do prior to miranda warning with public safety expectation. there's a threat to the public. we can accomplish a lot of the information gathering we need to under a constitutional structure without establishing a precedent where we'll treat americans like enemy combatants and throw them in a brig without having legal or constitutional right to do so. >> we know there's been back and forth with him doing some writing. from a national security standpoint, congressman, do you want to know? >> we want to know if there's further risk to the public and other co-conspirators out there that pose a risk. was there foreign direction? foreign players still involved in this. how did they organize this? was this self-directed by these two or was there foreign direction? you can imagine over the next weeks and months that's what the intelligence agencies are going to be poring through. we'll know as much as we possibly can about every day in their lives over the last few years, every trip they made, every person they talked to. every family member that can b
there's a lot we can do prior to miranda warning with public safety expectation. there's a threat to the public. we can accomplish a lot of the information gathering we need to under a constitutional structure without establishing a precedent where we'll treat americans like enemy combatants and throw them in a brig without having legal or constitutional right to do so. >> we know there's been back and forth with him doing some writing. from a national security standpoint, congressman, do...
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the government decided he will not be given the miranda warning. the usual warning on every episode of "law & order." there's a question of public safety and they can question him for 48 hours before having to give him the warning and use that information in court. the justice department says most people even in these circumstances, even facing very serious charges ultimately the death penalty if the government chooses to bring it, they still choose to talk. it's a controversial decision nonetheless. some republicans think anyone who commits an act of terrorism even on american soil, even if they're american citizens as he is, should be brought before a military tribunal and treated as enemy combatant. >> it's a political hot potato. a lot of administration officials point out the so-called underwear bomber, umar farouk abdulmutallab continued to talk after being mirandized. thank you to you. >> what are investigators doing now? michael leiter served as the director of the national counterterrorism center under presidents bush and obama. good morni
the government decided he will not be given the miranda warning. the usual warning on every episode of "law & order." there's a question of public safety and they can question him for 48 hours before having to give him the warning and use that information in court. the justice department says most people even in these circumstances, even facing very serious charges ultimately the death penalty if the government chooses to bring it, they still choose to talk. it's a controversial...
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you shouldn't have questioned without his miranda. what happens then? that means, they throw out his statement. so what? they don't need his statement in connection. >> they have all the other evidence. >> this is about getting intelligence from him. not a statement they can use in court. >> and these charges expected to be filed. almost certain to face the death penalty. >> it will be a death-eligible charge for sure. a decision made later to seek the death penalty. the use of a weapon of mass destruction would be a death-eligible. >> the fbi interviewing the older brother in 2011. some members of congress saying that was a missed opportunity, criticizing the fbi for not keeping their eyes on tamerlan. >> well, let's look at this. hundreds of thousands of versions of him are floating around the country. the fbi go, they do a background, sometimes ultimately interview them. visiting jihadist websites are not against the law. a lot of teenagers and young adults are doing that. so, the question is, you have to do an assessment if you're an fbi agent. do y
you shouldn't have questioned without his miranda. what happens then? that means, they throw out his statement. so what? they don't need his statement in connection. >> they have all the other evidence. >> this is about getting intelligence from him. not a statement they can use in court. >> and these charges expected to be filed. almost certain to face the death penalty. >> it will be a death-eligible charge for sure. a decision made later to seek the death penalty. the...
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. >> there's been a lot of attention paid to the fact miranda rights were not immediately read to him. governor patrick said in the opening, said last night, the suspect is not in condition to talk at this moment. is there any indication how long they can go before having to read miranda rights to him if they are going to get the chance to interrogate him without the warning, without access to a lawyer? >> reporter: a very good question. one that i think is likely to be litigated. now what the justice department is saying that they want to use this special high-value interrogation team to question him without reading him his miranda rights, under the public safety exception. and the -- question and that has been defined as 48 hours. they have 48 hours to question him before they read him his rights. now, the aclu and the federal public defenders office here in boston which says -- said yesterday they expect to represent tsarnaev. they are challenging that and saying that they -- the government may be stretching it here. and, frankly, actually, the longer this goes on, the longer that
. >> there's been a lot of attention paid to the fact miranda rights were not immediately read to him. governor patrick said in the opening, said last night, the suspect is not in condition to talk at this moment. is there any indication how long they can go before having to read miranda rights to him if they are going to get the chance to interrogate him without the warning, without access to a lawyer? >> reporter: a very good question. one that i think is likely to be litigated....